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An Evaluation of Moolah

Xavier and I were doing some investigating earlier tonight, and found some surprising things. Our research for tonight was inspired by the absolutely gorgeous 50 Moolah note. The first thing that strikes me about it, in fact about Moolah in general, is the use of the Greek phi in place of the ohs. When it appeared in Munch's Oddysee I thought that Φ would turn out to be the symbol for Moolah, but it seems this honour is actually bestowed upon the sideways dollar sign. Now, having been used three times now, it's clearly no accident that these vertical lines are there. But why? There's no other instance I know of of a phi on Oddworld. You could call it stylised, but I won't accept that. It's very clearly integral to Moolah, as Humphrey's cartoons make sure to include them.

The Moolah sign itself is largely uninteresting, though highly nifty. Notice that the three vertical lines could be seen to be an ‘M’, as in SM. Now, I couldn't find anything interesting by looking for things SM is an abbreviation for, but it's highly likely M stands for Moolah. S may stand for standard, or perhaps Sekto?

The sign on the right of the note looks to me to be a pneumatic drill and a cog. But on top of this is a red stamp, and this yielded the most interest. Around the outer edge are the words “Adonay Elohim Are” on the left and “Teth age amma tonah” on the right. Just inside this are the words “Ad oy ahi vei ova iah aha el oh el am yo elo his,” (starting with the clearly-visible AD at the top). Inside that there are lots of less-recognisable symbols, then the four words “Theoska,” “Zenaoth,” “Adoyah” and “Adymon.” At the very centre circle is the word “Schaide.”

“Adonay” and “Elohim” were the first words we cracked. They are both Hebrew words, names for God. On a couple of occassions we found them used together as “Adonay Elohim.” I couldn't figure out the purpose of the “are”. On the other side, “Teth” is the ninth letter in the Arabic alphabet, while “amma” is again Hebrew, meaning nurse or spiritual mother. “Tonah” is not a letter, but a word. In Aztec it means the Sun. But wait, it's not actually a devient from the pattern, because according to Sarah Leah, “this name has been transliterated into the Hebrew phonetically.”

But wait! Could things get any more obvious? Fear not, the theme continues. The four inner words can all be found on this page entitled The Sixth Book of Moses. Hmm. The Torah family just got bigger. I haven't bothered to check the identity of this book, but all four names are indeed found within the text. “Alymon,” “Adoyah Zawah” and “Zeboath” are found under the subheading The Conversation of God, while “Theoska” is named as an archangel. We couldn't find anything for “Schaide.”

The only other thing of interest are the small marks Xav described as upside-down crowns. I couldn't find anything similar at www.symbols.com, but I found some intriguing meanings of an upside-down crown symbol. Most typically it seemed to be a dismisal of the monarchy, or sometimes the casting away of one's own riches - which doesn't sound like Industrial Oddworld at all. It's also a symbol of the lost Serbian Empire at the Battle of Kosovo in 1389.

Finally, I put forward the suggestion that “el oh el” is actually “LOL”.

It looks like whoever designed the note has some reason to put Jewish terminology on the note. Quite a nice easter egg. Gave me something to do this lonely night. Anyone have anything to say, other than shock at our geekiness?
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01-02-2005, 03:13 PM
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Man, that's some interesting solving Max the Mug, I would never figure that out.

Intersting,The Moolah quite religoues. Hmm, Laughing Out Loud?
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I'd like to shock at your geekiness

It is indeed very interesting. A good read. Love the links to religion and all that.

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I figured the 'SM' was an abbreviation for 'Simolians' in keeping with the theme of nicknames for money. Like for instance, a simolian would be the term for a dollar, Moolah being the term for money in general.
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I knew Mullah was a real thing but, MY GOD! I woould never of known that stuff!
Thanx Xavier and Max the Mug.
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01-03-2005, 12:47 AM
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I'm very glad you liked the results of our research
The job would have been done way more easely if we had a clear version of the "star"... notice most "symbols" inside the star are just Hebrew letters.


Feel free to hurt your eyes on this and to report some intresting toughts.


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01-03-2005, 06:50 AM
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I don't think that the top word you think is "ARE" is actually "ARE", but I think that it may be "AHE"

EDIT: I've just found something out. The upside down crowns that you are refering to aren't upside down at all, the stamp is upside down, because if you look at schaide in the middle, that should be the right way up which then makes the crowns the right way up
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But it was obviously stamped upside down for a reason.
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It was proberbly because they wanted to give it a sense of originality and show that it doesn't have to be perfect.
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Holy crap. Jewish symbolism in Oddworld! What is this world coming to?

We should pass this on to... whatshisname (you know, the Israeli guy who comes on the forums). Or, failing that, I'll print it out and pass it on to my brother-in-law as soon as he comes back from his honeymoon.
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yeah do so NDW... I'm quite curious if she will be able to tell us intresting things about it

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Ummm... My brother in law is a guy. Not a girl.
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I've read mother... sorry about that

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You have a lots of freetime, right? This "research" is... well... LOL...

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could you possibly post a link so that I could see this?
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Take a look at Xav's post http://www.oddworldforums.net/showpo...32&postcount=6
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Sorry for bringing an old topic back, but it seems so interesty.
Well elohim means god on hebrew and adonay means lord on hebrew, the name of the christian and jewish god is YHWH or JHWH (hebrew does not have wovels, instead they set small marks like apostrophes, so you can see how it pronounses), many make the wovels place like this: Yahweh or Jahweh,
and some make the wovels place like this: Yehovah og Jehovah.
But some jews understood the command which sound: "you most not use the name of YHWH your God in vain", as you must not pronounce the name of God.
So instead they used the word "adonay", and therefore now in the bibles and torahs are standing: "hear Israel The Lord our God, The Lord is one" and not as it was first written: "hear Israel YHWH our God, YHWH is one".
So Elohim Adonay means God The Lord.
The three letters h-i-s i rembember i have seen them on a icon with Jesus Christ, or was it I.H.S. (Iesus Hominum Salvator) (Jesus savior of humans).
Maybe it is a sublime message (yes i have read some conspiration theorists).
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glad someone brought this topic back with some intresting things to add

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Holy wows! This is from a very long time ago! Pre-Stranger's Wrath... wowie.


I never noticed this thread, but it is very cool. Hmmm... Oddworld, putting out a pro-organized religion easter egg? What happened to "The Religious Right is Insane"? Has the Moolah note remained the same throughout all of Oddworld?

Hmm, so many questions...
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the explanation would be that the designer put it there without realy knowing the true meaning of the symbol and only tought it was looking cool

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I've been playing around with that image on photoshop for a long time, trying to make those images clearer, but it hurt my eyes. Kudos and Mudos to you!

As for the religious stuff, either someone is sneaking in religious symbology to the masses via OWI, or it is a well researched, well hidden pionter to indicate the mindset of te industrialists who use it: that Moolah is their god. All hail moolah, in which profit is a form of worship, and the more you have, the greater your devotion. All in a sub-concious way, of course.

Or it is subliminal messaging.
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the Os on the moolah remind me of bags of money could that be possible?
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Or it is subliminal messaging.
to be subliminal, the message has to be hidden but easy to understand...
here we had to do some researches to find out it had a religous connotation

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Well the most known kind of subliminal messaging is saying something backwards many times like when you wants some one to give you money you say: "yenom em evig" over and over again or show the text over and over again you don´t understand it but your underconsciousness does.

The other well known form is when for eksample in a movie you make one clip showing a reclame for for eksample coca cola, you don´t see it because it comes and goes so fast, but your underconsciousness register it.

All the things i have said here is only theories.

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Then about what God are we talking. Is the money the god? (Bullet Magnet)Is it 'Odd'? Worschipped by whom? Natives or Industrialist or both?
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Sheesh. It's just some text that was used to give the note a plausible design. It has no meaning within Oddworld. It's certainly not subliminal, because it only makes the teensiest of appearances in OSW.

But, much more importantly, it's super to see you Oddipus.
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yep, nice to see you oddipus

I'm also convinced this is only to make the moolah note prettier, without any meaning on oddworld

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Anyone have anything to say, other than shock at our geekiness?
Nope, just shock.
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